Why don't you respond to others by supporting them, visiting and commenting, when they have been good enough to support you?
November 20th 2006 09:03
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Yes, I know a lot of you do, but actually all too few, and many receive votes far inexcess of what they can give.
But they remain cloistered and secure and can't even be lured.
I realize this doesn't apply to everyone and I'd like to hear from those who do and those who don't.
Why do you think others support you?
I hope I shall receive a lot of responses, I've certainly paid my dues.
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Comment by Mrs M
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I hope people support me because they enjoy my blog and because they think I have something valid to say. Nice and simple. And I support others because I'm always on the lookout to learn something new. I believe that good writers need to read alot to learn alot so they can write alot.
I have this fear that if my blog becomes popular I won't be able to get around to everyone's blog who has supported mine. That would be bad and unfair if I couldn't return the favour.
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I really appreciated your input, often it's the first comment that gets one's post rolling.
You've certainly paid your dues and I realize that a lot of factors are involved but there's a huge silent majority.
Once again, thankyou
katyzzz
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That's the way I feel about it, witohut any offence intended.
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Sometimes people need that first step up the ladder help or even more, it's not just about what you write, it's existence and that means for all of us and Orble.
Some people are luckier than others, some may contribute everything to individual success, it's about helping others and, in return, being helped and that, it seems to me is what life is all about.
We also learn by reading, watching, glimpsing at the efforts of others and indications about how others perceive us is useful.
I am more drawn to some things than others, certain things repulse me, but I still think it is important to follow rather more than our own particular interests and most people can get along faster that way.
Naturally, you're entitled to your view and I can understand why you have it and I am certainly very pleased to have your response here.
Thankyou,
katyzzz
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I think what you say is very true.
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And if someone links to your site, you should link to theirs.
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Have fun and Thank you for making this post!!!
Wish you the best!!!
Comment by Wendi
I do take the time to visit other people's blogs, especially if they've commented/voted on mine - that is the name of the game, after all -- but if a person's blog just doesn't draw me in, I'm not likely to comment out of mere obligation. And when it comes to commenting on other people's blogs, I certainly don't do it as a way of "paying my dues", to be polite, or because I was told to do it - I do it because I enjoy the interaction.
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Then again, if I comment on someone's site, I don't want them to feel that they have to come over to mine - though it is nice if they do.
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I was so pleased to hear you say that. It might make things a lot easier for many and it makes good sense too and builds the community spirit.
katyzzz
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That was very informative and I hope many will heed your words. We already have a group, i.e. Orble, that's a community, but most people come to make at least some money and perhaps don't realise how things work and are not interested in the group, as such.
That's their choice and the whole exercise is a learning experience for everyone, Orble included.
I certainly came with certain expectations, including being paid, that has been very slow to evolve but it has filled a void in my life when I actually have too much time on my hands, so I've learned to adapt and to benefit from what is available and not worry about what isn't.
But the wall of silent resistance did bother me, hence this post. I hope some good comes of it and thankyou for your kind words.
One has to learn from those who do and those who don't respond.
katyzzz
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Yes, I expected many would take this view, but there is an alternative one or, in fact, many.
I respect your position and can't really argue against it except from what I have already said and others have said, declaring your position makes things a little clearer.
We all come for different reasons and I concede this evokes different reactions, but you do join a group which, without input from everyone can't actually survive and then you lose your platform.
But you are here for reasons which you have been good enough to share with us so I guess there's more than one way in which we can contribute.
Amongst other things I'm here to do some good in the world and to that end must convert people to a certain view and for that to happen I need the involvement of others. It's different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Thank you for sharing your views and thoughts with us.
katyzzz
Comment by KylieW
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I think it's nice to reciprocate, but I don't expect people to comment on my site just because I've liked something on theirs and left a comment. We are a community and it's good to help one another. But I don't think we should be pressuring everyone to try and get round to every site and leave comments every day. That's a bit of pressure and I would hate for anyone to feel obliged to come to my site.
By the way, love todays art. Reminds me of tropical fish!
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Thanks for sharing your views. I think you underestimate the worth of your own opinions, and, as for me the art is just the vehicle, not the message.
I do concede time is a BIG problem, especially for others who have more pressing commitments and I certainly don't consider you an unworthy person.
Sometimes, even a negative comment can be helpful and I think that is often overlooked.
But I guess Orble can't be all things to all people and that is where some of the difficulty lies.
So far I've heard from many, but there' still the silent majority out there that I'd like to hear from.
Most of the faces here I'm already familiar with.
But I have been pleased to hear from you and never underestimate your worth as a human being and please don't ever be concerned about professing ignorance or lack of interest, those things apply to everyone, whatever field they are in.
katyzzz
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I understand about the time problem and pressures and it seems you are as active as you can manage and feel comfortable with.
Your position is very clear and I'm sure many others will be interested in what you say, as I am.
Thanks for participating, any time you want your pets minded I'm available.
Oh, what we can achieve in Cyberspace, is this Heaven? and are we there already and just don't know it.
No, not quite, God doesn't seem to be around.
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I tried that thankyou, it didn't work, present company excepted.
I think " do for others what they have done for you as well as do as you would be done by".
Thanks for the comment, brevity is no barrier to appreciation.
Katyzzz
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(and Bryn *lol* we'll have to stop meeting like this...I'm not stalking you really...)
…but seriously... KTZ... a good question... we all blog for money, sure... the thought is there... and I drop votes everywhere I can because of it… especially if the person has worked hard on a good thought provoking or entertaining post…but I think that eventually there is more to it than that... therefore to me blogging has morphed into more than a quick way to make a buck...
Like many others, I don't always leave a comment, but the comments really make the blogging more than ‘just a job...’
Today’s sig-tune is as interesting as your question …
Lilla…
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Comment by Stuart
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In many respects I strongly dislike the voting system. Whilst I can understand that it's a vote of appreciation or congratulations of a post, it also has the vehicle to catapault a post into the limelight. Hence additional revenue etc which Katyzz has talked about.
But I see this as a recognition of merit. In otherwords if you write a good post, people vote for you. If you write a thought provoking post, people will discuss it with you.
However, what seems to be suggested here is a mutual voting obligation whereby we all vote for each other to catapault each others blogs in popularity. This is especially highlighted in comments like "I've earnt my dues."
If this is the case, and we're all voting for each other, then essentially instead of everyone starting at 0, we're all starting at 140, or 30, or 92, because we're all voting for each other.
How then do we find the truly original, thought provoking, inspiring pieces of writing?
Now don't get me wrong, if someone comments on my post, I'll swing by theirs and check theirs out because I'm curious. I'm interested in seeing how their are simillar and dissimillar to me. And, if I enjoy it I'll comment or vote and return to their post later in the week. Kudos where Kudos is due.
But I don't know if I should feel obliged to support another just on the merit of them voting for me. Because then they're not really voting for merit but moreso a soft blackmail of mutual support is being initiated. "Scratch mine, scratch yours."
Frankly I'm not an overly itchy guy.
I realise I'm probably in the minority, by the sounds of it the vast majority here disagree with me. But by the same token that I hope I don't get needless flamed and vilified, I wouldn't want to have every one of my posts voted on because you like me. Rather I'd want the posts you enjoyed to be voted on so I can learn and develop as a writer.
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katyzzz,
Today your sig tune is an ecstatic dancer. Lovely and energetic.
I get to everyone's site who comments on mine, but that's not many. Most of the hits on my blog are from off-site visitors. There seem to be about three Orble-ites who watch Lost. *sigh* What can one do?
Good post, though. Thought-provoking.
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It's mophed for me, too. But I see limits to how far that morphing will allow me to go.
What I am trying to do is quite complex by normal standards it seems and I'm adapting as I go along, but eventually time and evaluating return will triumph over morphing, but, for the time being I'm just drifting along with the breezzzzzze.
I know you'll like that one and I continue to be more conscious of my dreams, if I have one that appears startling or exceptional in some way I'll let you know.
katyzzzzzzzz... just buzzzzzzzzzzzing around as usual!
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The axis of evil mediated.com.au is happy to trade wheat with you as long as your government is oblivious to anything that happens.
I'm catching up on Lost since it started showing on channel 7 at midnight.
However I'm not always insomniac and so I'm missing out on plot development points which makes it tricky.
Gotta save up for the DVD
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I liked your view, brief but well said. I'll be popping by to visit you, very soon.
katyzzz
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You've put a lot of time, effort and thought into your response and your view is still valid.
I shall always believe in paying my dues, in every area of life, after all, some are not so fortunate as others and I think it's a good thing to count one's blessings and help others along the way, just as they help us from time to time.
No-one escapes life without some sort of burden and if we can lessen that along the way, we should.
Nevertheless you're entitled to your opinion which was well explained and expressed and with that I find no complaint.
katyzzz
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Your image alone should attract many.
I have certainly appreciated your visits and awareness of the word reciprocal, you are always a delight to interact with and I wish you had more visitors.
Your comments about my artwork are an absolute treat and it's amazing what your mind sees.
It varies from those who have an overall interpretation to those who see specifics and/or both.
It is wonderful for me to interact with people in this way.
katyzzz
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I understand what you're saying and no one is suggesting force or compulsion, this is just a discussion and one point of view is as good as any other.
Thanks for calling back to clarify.
katyzzz
Comment by Johanna
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Like many who have commented before me I try to visit everyone who visits me. I always vote if I read the post and comment if I feel I have something to contribute. I suppose I can see both sides of this discussion.
Comment by DuskDevi
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I have visited you often and left my numerical karmic mark but not my 'voice'.
I vote because I like what I read and see and if the post resonates with me (like many others here) and I comment when the post affects me....and then I continue to comment because I like 'talking' and 'listening'...generally engaging in conversation and inadvertently adding to the vote count.
I try to visit as many bloggers/blogs as I can. I don't do this as an ulterior motive. I like hearing what people have to say. I subscribe to so many blogs my inbox threatens to unsubscribe me!
Although I am lucky enough to work from home, it gets to be a problem...I have whittled away many hours reading and commenting when I should be working! Prior to joining Orble, I kept very strict 'office hours' albeit sometimes still in PJs'!
People get paid for blogging??? Huh?
Is someone not telling me something?....
I blog because of the opportunity given to me to 'voice' my Inner Jock.
I'm not too fussed if people don't vote. That is not why I write. I write because I can...but I am most grateful for those, like you, that despite no understanding nor appreciation of the sport, still come to visit and comment and I get the bonus of your vote.
This is true community support and I thank you for it but it's not an obligation. It's a gift.
I agree with Brenton but also believe that sometimes the natural process needs a push...
(also... thank you Lilla, JoshZ for supporting my rugby posts as well...and I'm very happy and pleasantly surprised to hear from the non-rugby Orblers who do know a bit about rugby...thank you KylieW and Nina)
I intersperse my rugby ravings with non-rugby ravings and it's these that tend to bring other Orblers to my site, which I am also very, very grateful for.
I may say that I write because I can but it's also nice to write because people read....and 'discuss' your point of view with you.
I just like interacting. Everything else is a gift.
Thanks katyzzz. Good post. I think it has definitely achieved its objective.
DuskDevi
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Adele...I love 'Lost'...but you're in the US and it's back on there so I don't want to accidently read any spoilers. This show annoys me...promise myself after every episode that I will never watch it again...and yet...sigh...there I am again, week after week...as soon as it's back on I'll be at your place.
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There's room for everyone's opinions here and diversity is the name of the game.
Thanks for your thoughts.
katyzzz
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You've certainly put a lot of time and effort into your response and I have observed your alter egos, if you don't mind my calling them that.
Diversity is welcome here and you've certainly given us a lot to think on.
It was great to receive your contribution.
katyzzz
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Thanks for your visit.
All comments are useful and even if you don't think it worth it the receiver might.
There are obvious thought processes going on in your mind when deciding to leave/not leave comments and sometims it may well be of benefit to the writer to know what has made you reach that decision.
But, at the end of the day, it's up to you and if you're comfortable that is really all you need worry about.
I just like to go that little bit further but I'll be thinking about what I do a little differently from now on.
Thanks once again for leaving your comments.
katyzzz
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sometimes i don't comment despite someone commented on my post. Two reasons-
1. The subject matter is beyond my thoughts (ex- i have very little understanding on literature or celebrity talks).
2. When i noticed the comment i am in hurry, and in time i forgot to drop by.
The second reason would be completly my fault, i am trying to get over it.
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No time, no effort...I just wrote as I thought. Unfortunately I do not edit as I comment...but I must learn to keep it short, yes?
I do get carried away with the sound of my own words...
I have no alter egos...just facets of me.
Must go visit your 'lungs' post now...
DuskDevi
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I am definitely one of those people who hasn't answered or commented on your blog or voted. I know this because you've said so on my blog.
I haven't voted because I have no idea what it is or how to do it. I haven't commented on your blog, yet, because I am on the road and only get online about once a week when I can. So I don't see comments on a daily basis to reply to them. I see them on a weekly or sometimes fortnightly basis.
I have to try to do a week's worth of posts in a hurry and though I always go and take a look at anyone's blog who has commented, I don't always have time to write back - particularly if the computer I am on is slow. It's not about not being a good neighbour, it is just about being on a mission - wanting to get good, informative material out on a regular basis for other cycle tourers as my first priority.
I do appreciate all comments on my blog - though I have so little faith in what I am writing that it gives me a heart palpitation each time I see someone has commented - but often just don't know what to say in reply. I don't want to manufacture some comment if it doesn't just occur to me either.
Sorry, but being new to blogging, the politics of commenting is totally lost on me. Is it just the done thing or do you get some financial gain out of this? Does it encourage more advertisers? I thought that just the fact that I visited other sites would show up in your stats.
Claire
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Sometimes I just don't have anything to say and other times I forget - I'm pretty naughty to start with setting posts in advance and what not because I know I won't be around. Which of course makes it harder to get around the traps.
But I never make comments just for comments sake - it either has to be a valid comment on the post or some other sort of commenting 'fun' iykwim.
Jimbo, I'm with you there also - I am consistently near the top of the ranking etc - (although the amount of times I sit at 21 some days always annoys me) and yet it has nothing to do with the higher voted or commented on posts. Those are usually the days when I'm lower and it's the other weird stuff that gets me higher.
Go figure!
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But giving vote have a issue also, sometimes i don't like the post for some reason (nothing personal) may be the topic or something. In those cases Vote is out of the question unless the blogger is known to be productive in the past.
Its not discrimination, in fact an encouragement for bloggers to create good posts.
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I believe it attracts people to response onto comments when you have something that spur their responses.
I do try to do my best to write posts that spurs thoughts or provide good information but I also believe that the topic and the category that you are writing is important.
And the fact is, it is ironic. People just remember to post and forgot to read others, while they hoped that their work will be read by others.
Cheerio
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Haven't you opened a can of worms??
I would be one of those bloggers that you are alluding to - not because I don't want to comment on other blogs, but I comment only on blogs I feel strongly about.
By this I mean that I generally save my comment for sporting or musical posts - these are subject matters that I think I can offer a valid comment about.
But in saying that, I am endeavouring to pass comment on a variety of different blogs at present. I think that in the past I have been guilty of being lazy and self absorbed in my own blog, but this is one area that I am endeavouring to work on.
As Brenton stated earlier, I don't just comment to boost my karma - I prefer to add my perspective to the subject matter at hand.
Hope that makes sense,
StephenP
Comment by Peeling
Scratching each others' backs is going to get none of us anywhere, except maybe the people who own Orble and a few other old timers who regularly get their posts in the top 5 most rated.
What you really need is people from outside the orble blogging community commenting and rating. Orble writers should be writing, others should be commenting. That's how it should be. Orble is nowhere as big as Digg, to get traffic boosts from our own members rating each other.
You might want to give writers a few more tools to help them break free of this frustration and bring in more visitors from outside.
If I ruffled any feathers, apologies.
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Good and honest response. Thanks for sharing with us.
katyzzz
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Thanks for visiting again. I wasn't just referring to my own posts. My posts are not just about art but I'll not trouble you with those thoughts, you're free to do as you please. When you don't know something that's as good a reason as any to comment
I see from what's below your head it doesn't matter really.
Good luck with it all,
katyzzz
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There's no need to restrict yourself and I like different facets of people and I'm learning more about that.
Your lenghthy response was an exceptionally generous one.
Stay just the way you are, don't change for others, unless you see good reason for doing so..
katyzzz
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I can. I must look you up. Music is the key, no need to explain more and it's clicks you need, not votes.
This is the best and most generous piece of information. Just which ones do they pay on.
I've certainly got a long way to go.
Then again, I don't have a popular topic and don't want one.
I just want to do some good in the world but I also want to make some money. The opportunities are well and truly out there, but we need to navigate the journey correctly.
And I thought I was doing so well.
You are getting readers in spite of yourself but I'll be over to visit you as soon as I get this post out of my hair. Silly me.
Good to hear of your success. The pinnacle of Orbling. But, as has already been said, different strokes for different folks, as long as people are happy it doesn't matter what they do, provided they don't deliberately make others unhappy and I do see more than a little of that going on here.
Thanks for putting some numbers on what we need. I suppose it would be too much to ask how much money you make. It should be easy enough to work out but I don't know which clicks pay and how much for each click. No doubt I'll find out in time.
katyzzz
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What you say sounds perfectly reasonable, doing other things is a big issue and I'm not trying to swing people to my point of view, I'm just trying to find out why things are the way they are.
My sympathies with the slow computers etc. I understand completely.
katyzzz
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Still figuring. Great info. Thankyou.
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I've not got this voting system worked out. Someone fill me in please, where's the vote button to hit?
Sorry about the stupidity factor.
Thanks for revisiting, it's appreciated. I wonder why I started all this, didn't realise what hard work it would be.
katyzzz
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Perhaps new Orblers need to be filled in a little better, but I'm sure you're doing the right thing in posting, but there are other issues that come into play.
Maybe jon will fill us in?
katyzzz
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Your observations are good ones. Thanks for sharing.
katyzzz
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Can of worms sure said it. I didn't realise how much work would be involved.
katyzzz
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You've won me, with you all the way. Where's this Digg place.
katyzzz.
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What a day, tells me what not to get involved in when I no longer have time.
katyzzz
THANKYOU ALL AND OTHERS ARE STILL WELCOME. SILLY ME!
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Anyone knows about this?
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I seem to have earned $1.99 since I've been here.
$1.48 was earned yesterday.
That's not enough money to keep me hanging around, why do you stay, perhaps you should check out the payment system a little more.
I've no intention of working for that sort of money. Stats gatherers for Google, it seems. I'm not about to quit to-morrow, I understood some of our clicks were coming from outside.
If not, we're going nowhere. I was really after a scholarship. That seems like a fortune from where I'm sitting, but there's no way I could cut down to 2 1/2 hours per week.
That's what I would be aiming to do. Apart from my own mind I don't think I've done much for anyone.
katyzzz thanks for your generous input.
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I am still kind of new here.
So, when exactly will we get paid? Is there a minimum payout or something?
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Understand how you feel. I recently stopped the emails, just clearing them was worth more than they're paying.
Sorry if I've stuffed you up to-day. You are right. But put a stop on those emails. I follow up where I need to, just keep it in my head.
I stopped reading them first to see if it would work then I just put a stay on them coming.
Incidentally I find things harder to find under their new system and less informative.
I hadn't heard of you until to-day.
katyzzz
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Quite a few weeks now. Thus far they have given me a free domain but that's only while I stay, I understand
What a day!
katyzzz
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I remember the briefing email did state that it will take a while until the Google engine really have higher pays. I guess you can't truly make a fortune with just Google hits.
I guess most of us stayed on because we just like writing.
Cheerio
Jessicca
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My reason for staying here is mainly because I am actually enjoying it now. It is quite stressful at times, but if you're in an area like music, movies or technology, you begin to learn so much more about that area. As well as that, it opens doors into other things - I'm now a frequent contributor at BlogCritics, which puts my readership up even more across the spectrum. The key thing is patience - you won't get the best readership in a couple of weeks or even a couple of months. Keep at it, and you'll get rewarded eventually, provided you're good enough at it.
Until then, we can only hope that the genii behind Orble - Jon and Jay - can come up with a better ad revenue system than Google ads. As easy it is to set up, I don't think its a very appealing ad system. There are others around, we just need to find the right ones.
And don't forget, Orble is a constantly evolving thing - if you have an idea, post it in the Writer's Forum, and if its decent, Jon or Jay will consider adding it, towards a better community.
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